Sunday, August 28, 2005

What wonderful creatures, are these trolls....

I am new to the concept of trolls, so having my first couple has been interesting.

Normally some writers would ignore or delete them, but I am not so indifferent to them as yet.

So here I will answer Anonymous. Here is his post, in full, with my extracted responses to follow.

At which point do you get to realize this war has been and continues to be an unmitigated disaster for America? A growing number of Republicans are being vocal about this now, but you… oooohhhh nooo. On you go, spouting the same mindless, unthinking rhetoric that got America into this mess in the first place. The war is already lost. Much as we would love it to be different, it isn’t. Better get used to it…

1) We have created a terrorist superstate where it didn’t exist previously.
2) Iraq and Iran are increasingly forming an alliance where it didn’t exist previously.
3) Iraq is fast moving towards becoming an Islamic state where it wasn’t previously.
4) Oil prices are soaring
5) Oil security for the United States is greatly compromised.
6) More than 1,800 US troops and many times more Iraqi’s have died for absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing.
7) The US is now the most heavily indebted country in the world, with 25% of all US treasuries owned by China.

It’s time to put an end to your debacle in Iraq. We will secure nothing. The war was lost long ago.
Ok, first, I looked at my posts, and so far I have personally said little about the war. I have focused my comments on supporting the troops, and my comments about Cindy Sheehan were primarily addressed to her methods, her using her son and those who are using her protest to further partisan agenda, not to her protest in principle.

In fact, I have openly stated several times that she has a right to protest anything she wants. So characterizing me as a war monger/lover is wrong.

Also, consider this, my troll. The majority of people in the military hate war, they despise it, and they should, since it may cost them their lives. They, however, do it because they have decided it needs to be done, and that it is worth the cost. In World War II the men drafted then had no love of war, but many fought with enthusiasm because the cause was something they believed in. These people today show even more dedication and belief, because they didnt get compelled, they volunteered.

A person who “loves” war would be close to a psychopath, in my opinion.

On to my response.
“At which point do you get to realize this war has been and continues to be an unmitigated disaster for America? A growing number of Republicans are being vocal about this now, but you… oooohhhh nooo. On you go, spouting the same mindless, unthinking rhetoric that got America into this mess in the first place. The war is already lost. Much as we would love it to be different, it isn’t. Better get used to it…”
As I said, I have spouted nothing about the war, so your comment is cute, but off target. Also, the war is not lost, is not being lost and is not a disaster. This is scare tactics that ignore the realities. Go to a site like Debka.com, and read about the good things that happen that the main stream media ignores.

“1) We have created a terrorist superstate where it didn’t exist previously.”
False, Al Qaeda existed long ago. We didn’t create it.

”2) Iraq and Iran are increasingly forming an alliance where it didn’t exist previously.”
Really? And you figure this how? Iran may have allowed weapons in but that is in support of the insurgents (who are increasingly foreign), not the lawful government of Iraq. This comment is false.

”3) Iraq is fast moving towards becoming an Islamic state where it wasn’t previously.”
Saddam for all his secularism still maintained the façade of being a Muslim state, and called for Muslims to defend him. So say it wasn’t one before is ignorant.

”4) Oil prices are soaring”
Having nothing to do with Iraq, that is to do with production and market manipulation. And actually this complaint continues to be a giggle for me, since people complained Bush wanted war to get cheap oil.

”5) Oil security for the United States is greatly compromised.”
We have always been vulnerable to this because of our dependency on foreign oil, the majority of which comes from places not called Iraq or Saudi Arabia. Maybe you were late in oil Class when they mention that Canada and Mexico are the two biggest importers, with Saudi Arabia in 3rd place.

Look on the DOE pages (http://tinyurl.com/7ldt) and you will be surprised to find out we get only 16 percent of our oil from Saudi Arabia. Here, don’t strain yourself, this is a chart of the major oil importers for June 2005. Click on it for a larger view:

You wanna complain about oil, I am with you, but check your facts.

”6) More than 1,800 US troops and many times more Iraqi’s have died for absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing.”
You are so wrong, so pitifully wrong.

"7) The US is now the most heavily indebted country in the world, with 25% of all US treasuries owned by China."
I am no economist, so I don’t know if this is true or not. And the whole China thing, what is the point?

”It’s time to put an end to your debacle in Iraq. We will secure nothing. The war was lost long ago.”
Tell that to the soldiers like my friend Tristan or radio host Bryan Suits of KVI radio (KVI.Com) who just returned, and can tell stories of first hand experiences of people who’s lives were changed for the better by our futile and losing debacle.

My friend, you are a victim of a campaign to make it look as bad as possible and ignore any actual benefit.

And tell me, even if you are right, how will us leaving now help any of that? Will plunging Iraq into civil war and emboldening Al Qaeda terrorists with a victory help?

For the record, I opposed going to war when we did, not because I did not think our cause was right, but because I felt we needed a stronger coalition. Obviously the President disagreed. Now that we are there, we have to see it through.

Therefore, I support the troops now. I support the effort we have begun as being necessary, and being something that having begun it, we must finish it.

If you disagree, fine. But please, do not categorize this as MY war. It is not. But as a veteran, these troops are MY troops, my brothers in arms.

The bottom line is that I will defend them against any and all disrespect and dishonor, regardless if it is a parent, a politician or a fellow military member.

In the case of Cindy Sheehan, she has chosen to dishonor her son’s service, and I have chosen to disagree with her.